User talk:Dustyveil
2021年7月15日
您好，请问您能否较熟练的使用中文？审阅您的贡献之后我个人认为大部分修改过于冒进，删除了过多的内容（比如介绍蹴鞠的段落，可以依照原文改写为足球的雏形是蹴鞠，现代足球则可追溯至英国的足球运动），增添的内容看起来不像是中文的熟练使用者所写，我暂时不会再回退您的编辑，但希望您能稍微做出解释，谢谢。(tl: Hello, would you mind telling me whether you are familiar with Chinese or not? After reviewing your contributions, I personally think that many edits are very radical and delete too much content (i.e. the section of introduction about "cuju", you could change it to "the embryonic form of soccer may trace back to 'cuju', as modern soccer movement could trace back to the early English soccer movement" as the source said), and the content you add does not seem like from a proficient Chinese speaker. I will not revert your edits in a short time, but I'm looking forward to an explanation. Cheers.)--ときさき くるみ 2021年7月15日 (四) 08:21 (UTC)
- Hi. You're correct that I'm not proficient at Chinese and not a native but I'm trying my best. I think for the website, my level is sufficient. It's good if you can fix the wording errors I made. I've a substantial level of knowledge on the guildlines and projects here so it's a good substitute editing base for the lack in proficiency. I acknowledge that my edits are a bit bold and some editors often misinterpreted them as vandalism. However, you need to give time for a full explanation on all edits. I have discussed through this on some wiki-projects, platforms and discussion pages and built up relative apprehension. For example, on 中国国家足球队 article, I remove some content that are un-sourced, un-related to the article's topic or is not neutral in wording/writing or based on personal view/subjective evaluation that is lacking sources. Other than that, I restructured the article and removed some redundant/repeated information. I also updated many information. The article is old, out-dated and unorganized. It need partial rebuilt for a better foundation, so based on the new form, editors can comfortably make further contributions. The same goes with some other articles of related topic that I took part in building. Dustyveil（留言） 2021年7月15日 (四) 08:51 (UTC)
- Well, I understand you are bold. However I still want to point several points and I think we may need a further discussion: First, after deleting too much content in the lede section, the whole article looks very strange. Besides, as for the 中国国家足球队, I don't see moving the history section down is useful. Next, as I said above, for the 中国足球运动 and 足球, I think you have removed too much content, a rewrite might be better. What do you think? Also, I have to note another point, most scholars in Greater China actually claim cuju is the source of soccer. (here is one source explained how and why, here is another source from China Daily, I know NPOV is important but the question is how should we state in the article.)--ときさき くるみ 2021年7月15日 (四) 09:08 (UTC)
- I am not against Wikipedia:V, so I think I may need to state now: I will not even consider re-adding the content that does not have any sources to support unless it's in the lede section.--ときさき くるみ 2021年7月15日 (四) 09:19 (UTC)
- Hi. You're correct that I'm not proficient at Chinese and not a native but I'm trying my best. I think for the website, my level is sufficient. It's good if you can fix the wording errors I made. I've a substantial level of knowledge on the guildlines and projects here so it's a good substitute editing base for the lack in proficiency. I acknowledge that my edits are a bit bold and some editors often misinterpreted them as vandalism. However, you need to give time for a full explanation on all edits. I have discussed through this on some wiki-projects, platforms and discussion pages and built up relative apprehension. For example, on 中国国家足球队 article, I remove some content that are un-sourced, un-related to the article's topic or is not neutral in wording/writing or based on personal view/subjective evaluation that is lacking sources. Other than that, I restructured the article and removed some redundant/repeated information. I also updated many information. The article is old, out-dated and unorganized. It need partial rebuilt for a better foundation, so based on the new form, editors can comfortably make further contributions. The same goes with some other articles of related topic that I took part in building. Dustyveil（留言） 2021年7月15日 (四) 08:51 (UTC)
When you look at a sport team's article, what you might usually look for is its present stats (squad/members/fixtures) and recent info, content related to history/statistics is related to later. Based on this, It may be more professional/stylish to move statistics and history down and prioritize the other up.
The leads in certain articles is reduced due to unbalanced focus, for example 中国国家足球队's previous lead wrote too much about History and just repeated information from the infobox.
In 中国足球运动 and 足球, the content removed is about cuju as it is somewhat controversially associated with soccer. The articles were written under Chinese-influenced mind so it may not represent a global view, that include the scholars' view. The same article in English does not talk too much about cuju like this. As cuju has a separated article, it's good that we temporarily remove it or mention it only briefly in these articles. Instead we should only retain the information about the sport soccer that originated in Europe. However, it's not that I'm removing all but only temporarily, information about background and source of soccer can be re-added but it need to be more selective. Dustyveil（留言） 2021年7月15日 (四) 09:35 (UTC)
- In 足球, I think English Wikipedia's solution is a way, I will wait a day or two to see if there are other editors who disagree with us, and then I will try to rewrite it as neutral as possible later. As for the 中国国家足球队, I agree, so I think we may need to wait for someone to add more info about that team and then consider moving the history section up, before that, I will not adjust it anymore. In 中国足球运动 I will keep a more radical view, since, this is more relevant to China (and cuju) and it might need to reflect more views from China. Anyway, these are my current opinions, I will wait a short time to see any other editors' opinions and your further opinions. Besides, thanks for your explanations, happy editing.--ときさき くるみ 2021年7月15日 (四) 09:49 (UTC)
- In 中国足球运动, the main point is that cuju is not soccer and vice versa. This article talks about soccer from Europe and its history/practice in China. On the other hand, the article 蹴鞠 itself has already written about cuju practice/events in China there. So you will need to distinguish the differences. Dustyveil（留言） 2021年7月15日 (四) 10:10 (UTC)
用戶查核通知
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您好，有編者認為您濫用傀儡，而對閣下提出用戶查核。濫用傀儡是指以違反社群政策方式使用多個維基百科帳戶。該查核在Wikipedia:元維基用戶查核請求#Dustyveil進行，提出查核的編者在此提出其理據。請確保您熟悉相關方針，然後提供您自己的理據或提出您希望由維基百科資深用戶考慮的意見，以決定本查核的結果。用戶查核由擁有用戶查核權的用戶透過技術資訊進行判斷，並嚴格遵守元維基的隱私方針。如您與其他在現實生活中認識的人共用同一電腦或網絡，我們建議您在用戶頁簡述各用戶之間的關係，以免產生誤會。若您一直以違反維基百科政策的方式使用多個帳戶，請立即移步至用戶查核請求頁並進行驗證。管理員通常對承諾不再干犯或無意間濫用傀儡的用戶從輕處理，但維基百科社群非常重視濫用多重帳戶的個案。如閣下對此有任何疑問，可以到互助客棧詢問，或到IRC聊天頻道尋求協助，祝編安。 Txkk（留言） 2021年7月27日 (二) 09:42 (UTC) |
2021年7月
感谢参与維基百科。閣下最近或許無意中移除了維基百科的內容、模板或其他資料。當閣下認為需要刪掉某些內容時，請妥善利用編輯摘要說明理由。而當閣下移除一些或會引起爭議的內容前，請先至討論頁展開討論。目前被閣下移去之內容已經恢复，請於繼續編輯前参看歡迎頁面以了解更多關於貢獻維基百科的事宜。如閣下仍需進行測試，請使用沙盒。祝好！ 祝编安--pavlov2（留言） 2021年7月27日 (二) 10:06 (UTC)
如果沒有在編輯摘要提供合適的理由，請勿無故移除維基百科頁面的內容或模板。閣下新近之編輯（如閣下於杨莉娜 的編輯）並不具建設性且已獲回退。如閣下仍需進行測試，請使用沙盒。祝编安！ 祝编安--pavlov2（留言） 2021年7月27日 (二) 10:08 (UTC)
請停止破壞性編輯，如果您再次在沒有充分說明理由的情況下清空或移除維基百科頁面的內容、模板或其他資料（如閣下於肖裕仪 的編輯），將會被禁止編輯維基百科。謝謝。 祝编安--pavlov2（留言） 2021年7月27日 (二) 10:09 (UTC)
这是对您的最後警告！
如閣下再次移除或清空維基百科頁面的內容或模板（如閣下於杨曼的編輯），閣下將會遭到封禁。 祝编安--pavlov2（留言） 2021年7月27日 (二) 10:09 (UTC)
Mys721tx
@Mys_721tx：, 我已经在我的讨论页、问题解决页和许多其他页面上讨论过，并获得了同意. Dustyveil（留言） 2021年7月27日 (二) 10:38 (UTC)
編輯請求 2021-08-09
{{Editprotected}} 请把目前的封禁模板改为globallock模板，感谢--仁爱亲诚——Pavlov2 2021年8月9日 (一) 05:03 (UTC)
- 维基百科目前还不存在名为“Template:Globallock”的模板。--Jimmy Xu 论 2021年8月26日 (四) 03:10 (UTC)